A Flyers/Caps Rivalry Can Work, If…
I’ve said numerous times (here and here) that I don’t think the Capitals and Flyers are rivals. Washington might consider us one of their rivals, but that’s only because we beat them in the playoffs and they want payback, and because the Southeast Division doesn’t give the Caps anybody to hate.
So it’s a pretty one sided thing between these two fanbases right now, but just because we don’t really hate the Capitals right now, doesn’t mean we can’t hate them later. I would enjoy a rivalry with Washington, but the only way I can see it happening — and I’m talking a legitimate rivalry like Flyers vs Rangers/Pens/Devils — is if they were in our division.
Prior to the 1979/80 season, the Capitals moved from the Norris to the Patrick Division, and with that, a natural hatred developed. Fighting for position with a divisional opponent just two and a half hours south breeds a lot of contempt, it seems.
In 1981/82, the NHL aligned the divisions according to geography for the first time, which meant that Calgary, who had been in the Patrick Division since its days in Atlanta, would move to the Smythe Division, and Pittsburgh would join the Flyers, the Islanders, the Rangers, and the Capitals in the Patrick. A year later, in 1982/83, when the Colorado Rockies moved to New Jersey, the Devils joined, and the dream division was formed.
For eleven seasons, these six teams battled it out for Patrick Division glory, and for many of those seasons the Flyers and Capitals were neck-and-neck in the race. But then in 1991, the NHL welcomed a new team from San Jose, and the following year Tampa Bay and Ottawa joined the ranks.
Gary Bettman became Commissioner before the 1993 season, and with his NBA roots he felt that, to help make the game easier to market with non-traditional fans, the divisions and conferences should be renamed. So, in 1993/94, the Campbell Conference became the Western Conference and the Wales Conference became the Eastern Conference. The Norris Division became the Central, Smythe became the Pacific, while Adams became the Northeast and Patrick became the Atlantic.
The honeymoon for the perfect division was over. Pittsburgh was moved to the Northeast, to compete with Boston, Montreal, Buffalo, etc., while the Lightning and the first year Florida Panthers were thrown in the Atlantic.
The Flyers and Capitals still had their rivalry, but Pittsburgh was gone, and how can we care about Florida and Tampa Bay when they’re A) so far away and B) terrible?
Things in the Atlantic Division would stay the same for the next four years, but Hartford’s move to Carolina in 1997/98 and Nashville’s expansion the following year allowed the league to go to a new three division system. It would be the third major re-alignment in league history, and it mixed up everything.
The Northwest Division was created, and it included Colorado, Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver, all former Pacific Division members. Dallas and Phoenix moved from the Central to the Pacific, while the new Predators joined Detroit, St. Louis, and Chicago in the Central.
Toronto moved from the Western Conference’s Central Division to the East’s Northeast. Carolina, Florida, Tampa, and Washington left the Atlantic to form the new Southeast Division. And a mistake was corrected by moving Pittsburgh back to the Atlantic.
Since, teams have been added in Atlanta, Columbus and Minnesota to get the current look we have today. It has been 10 seasons and 11 years since this alignment first came about, and we can determine now that it has been a mistake. People in Toronto will tell you that they lost a historic Original Six rivalry with Detroit in the process.
But the biggest complaints will come out of Washington. They had the dream setup in the Patrick Division days, and now their chief competition comes from a team that was in Connecticut just twelve years ago. In fact, the switch to the Southeast almost killed hockey in DC. Hockey was stagnant there for years, in the late-90’s and until, really, last years playoffs. They played the Flyers in those playoffs, an old Patrick Division rival they could love to hate.
On Frozen Blog puts it perfectly:
For years now we’ve been told by the apologists for the Southeast’s awful architecture that with merely patience new hatreds will descend upon our beleaguered grouping. They haven’t and they won’t. This hatred we have for those colors 90 miles to the North, it’s intrinsic, almost congenital. It’s a part of our hockey DNA.
Even having two Stanley Cup champions in the past 5 years does nothing to improve the Southeast’s standing. It’s a division that needs to be dissolved. Blown up. Obliterated. Glo-puck it. I don’t particularly care where the extraneous pieces land. I just know that last night Washington’s rink was as it should be, during the regular season. At last. I just know that Washington needs and deserves its old rivalries back.
There has been a major re-alignment, on average, about every eight years since the 1967 NHL expansion. With the last one coming ten years ago, it is time for history to repeat itself. The NHL needs to re-align, but they need to do it right this time. First, they need to go back to the original names.
Change the Eastern Conference back to the Prince of Wales Conference and the Western Conference back to the Clarence Campbell Conference, and then the real fun can begin.
I’m not opposed to contracting a team or two if it’s absolutely necessary, but at this point in time it is not, and I am opposed to contracting just because places aren’t “typical hockey markets.” Besides, I think it should be up to the individual team to decide if they can survive in their market, and no team has made that decision yet.
So, with that said, here is how I think the NHL should be re-aligned.
Prince of Wales Conference (14 teams)
Patrick Division (7 teams)
Philadelphia Flyers
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey Devils
Pittsburgh Penguins
Washington Capitals
Boston Bruins
Adams Division (7 teams)
Montreal Canadiens
Ottawa Senators
Toronto Maple Leafs
Buffalo Sabres
Detroit Red Wings
Chicago Blackhawks
Columbus Blue Jackets
Clarence Campbell Conference (16 teams)
Norris Division (8 teams)
Colorado Avalanche
San Jose Sharks
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Los Angeles Kings
Anaheim Ducks
Phoenix Coyotes
Vancouver Canucks
Smythe Division (8 teams)
Nashville Predators
Atlanta Thrashers
Tampa Bay Lightning
Florida Panthers
Dallas Stars
Minnesota Wild
Carolina Hurricanes
St. Louis Blues
The biggest problem with this would be the uneven number of teams in each conference, but really, how important is that? You might say that it’s unfair that each team wouldn’t have the same shot at getting in the playoffs, but that’s just an excuse. You know the rules before you start playing, and if you’re good enough, you’ll get in. It’s that simple. Besides, the good outweighs the bad.
The Flyers/Capitals rivalry returns. Toronto/Detroit is back, and Chicago/Detroit stays. The only lost rivalry we get with this setup is Boston/Montreal, but that is one that has become extremely one-sided in recent years. And can you imagine Boston being in the same division as both New York teams? Can you say Red Sox/Yankees, hockey style? Not to mention the Big Bad Bruins versus the Broad Street Bullies, version 21st century.
The biggest question now I’m sure is, how will the playoffs work? The current setup wouldn’t work since there are only two divisions per conference. The current playoff structure is flawed anyway, given that the best team in the Southeast usually is worse than the 4th best team in the Eastern Conference, but they wind up getting the third spot anyway.
16 teams still get in, with eight from each conference making it. But that’s where the similarities end. It’s a divisional system now, and the top four teams in each division clinch playoff spots. Then, they are seeded one through four. A champion is determined for each division, which makes division titles more important than just a nice regular season accolade. The two division champions play in the conference finals for the right to go to the Cup finals.
Here is a makeshift, sample bracket. Click the thumbnail to enlarge.
And there you have it. That’s how I think the NHL should be re-aligned. There’s been a lot of talk around the blogosphere lately about this very subject, and who knows, maybe the NHL will listen. Either way, the only way a Flyers/Capitals rivalry can work is if they share a division once again.


























ben said
am January 11 2009 @ 11:33 pm
Nice write up on the history. I started watching the NHL around 2001 so i never really knew they way it used to be. Your suggestions make a lot of sense, even from somebody who never knew what the conferences used to be.
Pills said
am January 12 2009 @ 4:20 pm
as far as the uneven teams go.. I would just lump carolina into the Patrick Division that way atleast each conference is even.
Ben said
am January 12 2009 @ 4:26 pm
Caps fan here. That map is beautiful. BRING BACK THE PATRICK DIVISION!
Ari said
am January 12 2009 @ 4:39 pm
You end up with the same Southeast problem. What you’ve done here is give Minnesota and St. Louis the same problem the Capitals have now - they’re stuck in a division with no natural rivals, against teams no one wants to pay to see. I don’t get how this solves a league problem - lovely Wales conference, but no way the Wild and Blues go for this.
I do think we should go back to the old names, though - what was the rationale for changing those? How many people became fans because it’s “Northeast” instead of “Adams”?
Dez said
am January 12 2009 @ 7:15 pm
As a caps fan, I love it.. As a general hockey fan though, can’t say I don’t agree with the above. While you bring back the old rivalries you essentially toss the Blues and Wild into the same situation as the caps are in now.
pybeambip said
am January 12 2009 @ 10:27 pm
I think you are thinking like sukrat, but I think you should cover the other side of the topic in the post too…
Dezlboy said
am January 12 2009 @ 10:56 pm
Not to be confused with Dez
But as a Cap fan also, bring it on!
pepper said
am January 12 2009 @ 11:01 pm
Excellent, excellent work. The map says it all.
JoshC said
am January 13 2009 @ 1:22 am
Yes, the map does say it all. It’s the “Real NHL Conference” and the “Screw The Outlanders Conference”.
It’s funny how all the NHL realignment proposals seem to boil down to the writer trying to move his team as far away from the four truly-Southeastern teams as he can possibly get.
Travis Hughes said
am January 13 2009 @ 7:41 am
I felt that by including Minnesota and St. Louis with Dallas and Nashville, it pretty much eliminates the problem you guys are saying I’ve created.
There’s the strong Minnesota/Dallas hatred, and Nashville might be a struggling financial team, but they are certainly competitive every year. St. Louis loses Chicago, Detroit, and Columbus, sure, but they gain Minnesota and Dallas in the equation.
It’s not the same as Washington’s situation now because there isn’t one team tossed in with the Southeast. Of course nobody can just stay away from the Southeast teams, and you can’t leave them on their own and hope for the best because then they all fail.
But by throwing in a few teams that are successful (and, by virtue of geography, teams that are otherwise left out to dry), it can help the Southeast teams gain some respect without leaving just one team, like was done to the Capitals, left all alone.
Frank Hallam said
am January 13 2009 @ 8:51 am
I’d just make a couple tweaks. switch Boston with Columbus. I don’t think it will fly unless Boston and Montreal are together. also maybe move Colorado to the Smythe and then bump Minnesota and Carolina to the Adams and Patrick. Basically making the Adams and Patrick have 8 teams a piece. Plus it would help out the travel in the Norris.
slutnuts said
am January 13 2009 @ 11:13 am
i love the idea but i would alter one thing. switch the norris and smythe division names. your current norris div has the 5 members of the 1980’s smythe divison. your current smythe division has 2 members of the old norris division: stl, and min/dal
Alex said
am January 13 2009 @ 12:18 pm
Good idea but a few things should be tweaked. There’s no reason the conferences should have a different amount of teams. Bringing either Minnesota into Adams or Carolina into Patrick would even things out without taking anything away. And the playoffs should be structured so that Adams and Patrick can meet in the cup finals, ie Adams paired with either Smythe or Norris in the semis. Because otherwise the setup is extremely tilted towards EC, in both competitive and interest edge.
Ryan said
am January 13 2009 @ 1:02 pm
I love what you have to say. I think your ideas are amazing. Going to the divisions you say would be so much better. Being a diehard Caps fan, I can’t stand playing the teams we play. They suck so bad. The Trashers? Come on. And yes, I spelled it Trashers. I can’t stand most of the teams that you put my Caps in with, which is why I’d want to be in the same division as them. Greaaaat rivalries.
john said
am January 13 2009 @ 1:36 pm
Pop Columbus into the Smythe, and Minnesota dn St. Loius into Adams– then you have 15 in each Conference, each with Divisions of 8 and 7.
The Smythe becomes a logical, natural deposit of southern/newer teams that can create their own traditional rivalries if they’re able– rivalries are strongest when they’re somewhat regional, don’t you think? Minnesota and St. Loius are then also where they deserve to be based on tradition.
Hockey is about tradition, and the past in hockey runs through the present more than any other sport (if it does any more at all in any other sport). New hockey fans sense this, and this is one of hockey’s unique and strongest attractions to a newcomer– what sets it apart and what makes newcomers want to get to understand it better. THis is exactly what Bettman doesn’t get– tradition is hockey’s strongest selling point, and he tries to package like the NBA.
Get traditional rivalries back in place and sell them hard, and try to create a new generation of regional ones… But don’t try to sell them where they will never exist.
Krone said
am January 13 2009 @ 2:54 pm
It looks alright except the fact that Minnesota gets screwed with a bunch of second rate teams.
Mike said
am January 14 2009 @ 2:26 pm
Dump Atlanta and bring the NHL back to Hartford. Nobody will miss the Thrashers. The Hartford franchise will be in the Adams Division, allowing either Chicago or Columbus to move the the Smythe Division and give the Blues a natural rival. My vote would be Chicago. They’d also give Minnesota a good rival. Will Detroit really complain about gaining Toronto and losing Chicago? Plus Ohio and Michigan seem to like hating each other, so I’m sure that rivalry will escalate when the Jackets find some success.
Mark said
am January 18 2009 @ 4:41 pm
There is no way Blackhawks should be sent to suffer in the Smythe division. The haven’t had any kind of rivalry with Minnesota since North Stars left. However, I do think the Blues should get added to the Adams Division. That way they could be with their old Norris Division rivals Detroit, Toronto, and Chicago and the two conferences will have the same number of teams. Columbus and Boston should switch division, that way Boston and Montreal which have one of the most heated rivalries in the NHL right now can be in the same division, and it paves the way for a possible Ohio/Pennsylvania rivalry that already exist in college sports. In the Campbell conference, you switch Minnesota and Colorado. That way Minnesota will have Western Canada in it’s division. And the Smythe division will be made of teams from the Southeast, cities that don’t care about hockey, or teams that have been relocated from cities that cared more about hockey than their current city.